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I despise the left wing liberal attempts to change America. I support FREEDOM, freedom of speech, right to bear arms, religious freedom and protecting the rights of Americans, including the unborn. Close the border, round up illegals and send them home. Welcome them back with a green card. I believe in preserving the visions of our founding fathers which did not include Socialism or Sharia Law. This IS STILL America.....at least for now.

Saturday, August 8, 2009

A Quote from Obama to Remember on Health Care Reform

"Healthcare could be cheaper if we don’t give old folks and the infirm the full measure of care they now get." Barack Obama

Main Entry: infirm in-!furm
Pronunciation: \ in-ˈfərm \
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin infirmus, from in- + firmus firm
Date: 14th century


1. of poor or deteriorated vitality especially feeble from age

2. weak of mind, will, or character : irresolute vacillating

3. not solid or stable : insecure - Synonym - see weak


  1. At the forum, a questioner asked: "[O]utside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, quality of life? Or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age?" Obama responded, in part:

    [E]nd-of-life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we're going to have to make. I don't want bureaucracies making those decisions, but understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another. If they're not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they're being made by private insurers.

    We don't always make those decisions explicitly. We often make those decisions by just letting people run out of money or making the deductibles so high or the out-of-pocket expenses so onerous that they just can't afford the care. And all we're suggesting -- and we're not going to solve every difficult problem in terms of end-of-life care. A lot of that is going to have to be we as a culture and as a society starting to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves.

    But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that's not making anybody's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery but taking the painkiller.

    And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients, and making sure that our incentives are not preventing those good decisions, and that -- that doctors and hospitals all are aligned for patient care, that's something we can achieve. We're not going to solve every single one of these very difficult decisions at end of life, and ultimately that's going to be between physicians and patients. But we can make real progress on this front if we work a little bit harder.

    When you don't just cherry pick quotes to make Obama look bad, you start to see what he's actually talking about. You go on and on about how he's some psychopath who wants to kill old people when he's really just somebody who is trying to have the courage to face these issues that we have. These are hard issues. They're not black and white like you might have us believe.

    Every day, people decide not to have that one last cancer treatment because they don't want to go through the pain for something that's not going to work. Yet we live in an environment where doctors have to keep pushing, trying new tests and procedures when each one has less of a chance of succeeding, until the patient runs out of money or the insurance company won't pay for it anymore.

    What Obama is saying is, let the doctors be up front with the patients. Let them work together to decide when enough is enough--the treatment is going to be painful and isn't going to help. Less focus on extending life at all costs, and more focus on quality of life.

    I know what certain people in the media gain by misrepresenting words and intentions in a political manner. I don't know what you gain by buying into it and repeating it. If we could all face tough issues like these without purposefully misrepresenting the other side's statements, maybe we could actually make things better.

  2. Let me explain something to you. For 23 years I was told my Mom was end stage this..then end stage that...she would not live another six months. They were wrong. My mother fought severe heart disease for 23 years before she died. That time allowed her to see the birth of more grandchildren and all of her great grandchildren before dying at age 65. That time has no value to you...but it does to us.

    The government value on that time is the total cost of her medical care and her social security.

    I want to tell you one more thing. Don't you dare come back here and post on this topic..until you have read the entire bill...as I have. All 1018 pages of it!

    So go get the bill, grab a dictionary....and lets talk when you are finished.

    Come back when you are educated enough to seriously debate all of the concerning issues in the bill. Okay?

  3. And one more thing...I don't need Obama facing any issues in my PRIVATE and PERSONAL life.

  4. I think it's great that you have read the entire bill, but if you want other people to read the bill then talk about the bill. You have only actually talked about what was in the bill once. The rest of the time, you're posting YouTube videos or taking quotes out of context. I don't need to read the bill to argue about quotes or videos.

    If the bill is so offensive, show me where the bill is offensive. Say, "Here is the part where it denies health care to the elderly and infirm". Then I'll read it and say, "Yeah! That's horrible!" Based on the fact that you haven't done that, I'm guessing the bill doesn't say that. And really, who cares what Obama says or thinks if he can't get it legislated?

  5. In another post, I provided a list of reasons that included the page number in the bill. I even provided a link to the bill.

    The first and foremost reason...medicare, medicaid, SS are all busted. You want to trust them with everyones healthcare? Yes, it will put private insurance out of business. Those who have their coverage through employers can keep their coverage...but if they lose their job....they lose that coverage and will be forced to go to government mandated polices. The coverage people can KEEP...is grandfathered in. It will no longer be available to anyone else. Look at my post...More than 52 reasons. Each reason has a page number...and I provide a link to the bill where you can go to that page and see for yourself. Remember..Obama is espousing this and that. My videos take you directly to videos of HIM saying the exact opposite. Example...you can keep private insurance. In the video he says he will transition out private health insurance in about 10 years or so. I do not take quotes out of context. You just happen to disagree. Luckily, my head is not in the sand.